Have you noticed this?
Tchaikovsky's Fifth Symphony, 1888, Andante cantabile
(the first 21 seconds of the piece of Youtube) (exactly 0:10 to 0:21)
Puccini, La Bohème, 1896, Act I
(17 minutes and 20 seconds to 17 minutes and 27 seconds) (0:17:20 to
The resemblance is striking Mr. Garganese. When did you notice this? It
certainly takes a keen ear and lots of detail-oriented attention to notice a
few seconds that look alike. One thing is for sure; Tchaikovsky composed it
first. I must say, however, that it's not uncommon for composers of the
future to use composers of the past (perhaps idols of theirs) as inspiration
for their own music. Just think about the American film composer, John
Williams and his music to STAR WARS and JAWS and how they're ever so close
to Holst's The Planets Suite and Dvorak's 9th symphony, 4th movement
Definitely is an interesting point you give us.
Dear Mr. Svoboda-Britz!
Excuse my silence for your kind post: I enjoy it. I'm an old fan of
Tchaikovsky (of course) and I'm pretty careful with these "similarities" and
"associations" (what you call "ear").The "Fifth" Symphony is one of the
first compositions of the musician that I have listened carefully.
I was also fortunate to hear the Leningrad PhilharmonicMravinsky when I
lived in Milan, the Teatro alla Scala, in this piece. I do not remember if I
first associated Puccini /Tchaikovsky or the opposite (but I think this last
thing). In this Forum we discussed a little last time
You're right: it is interesting to note the similarities. Often (I speak
in general) is not "plagiarism" of course, but the"music of the time." Do
not you think?
I'm sorry for my English. With many cordial greetings.
Your posts are always informative, thought-provoking, and often quite a
Do you agree with me that there's at least a strong 'similarity' between
the string passage beginning at 3:46 in the following extract from the first
movement of Shostakovich's 10th Symphony:
and the string passage beginning at 3.32 in Tchaikovsky's Fantasia 'The
Both passages serve to defuse tension at a critical point, but
Tchaikovsky emerges triumphant whereas Shostakovich seens to sink back into
a mood of nostalgia, regret and even despair.
Thanks for the things you say to me.
Also I see this great proximity between Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky's
music ... as in two of their songs you mentioned.
Shostakovich was regarded as the Tchaikovsky of the twentieth century ...
"mutatis mutandis" ...
In the post above I mentioned that I heard a wonderful interpretation of
the Teatro alla Scala in Milan, with Mravinsky and his Leningrad
The program was made-not coincidentally-with the two symphonies of
Tchaikovsky and Shostakovich No.5(Tchaikovsky was wonderfully directed, but
... Shostakovich gave an emotion even more, with this conductor and