Tchaikovsky
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Coincidentally? Plagiary? Influence?
Have you noticed this?
Tchaikovsky's Fifth Symphony, 1888, Andante cantabile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw-khM_Ipcc&feature=related
(the first 21 seconds of the piece of Youtube) (exactly 0:10 to 0:21)
Puccini, La Bohème, 1896, Act I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAS7r8Pd0k
(17 minutes and 20 seconds to 17 minutes and 27 seconds) (0:17:20 to 0:17:27)
Regards
Antonio Garganese
Prato (Florence)27/08/2011 00:29
The resemblance is striking Mr. Garganese. When did you notice this? It certainly takes a keen ear and lots of detail-oriented attention to notice a few seconds that look alike. One thing is for sure; Tchaikovsky composed it first. I must say, however, that it's not uncommon for composers of the future to use composers of the past (perhaps idols of theirs) as inspiration for their own music. Just think about the American film composer, John Williams and his music to STAR WARS and JAWS and how they're ever so close to Holst's The Planets Suite and Dvorak's 9th symphony, 4th movement opening.
Definitely is an interesting point you give us.
Thanks,
M. Svoboda-Britz
03/09/2011 18:54
Dear Mr. Svoboda-Britz!
Excuse my silence for your kind post: I enjoy it. I'm an old fan of Tchaikovsky (of course) and I'm pretty careful with these "similarities" and "associations" (what you call "ear").The "Fifth" Symphony is one of the first compositions of the musician that I have listened carefully.
I was also fortunate to hear the Leningrad PhilharmonicMravinsky when I lived in Milan, the Teatro alla Scala, in this piece. I do not remember if I first associated Puccini /Tchaikovsky or the opposite (but I think this last thing). In this Forum we discussed a little last time Tchaikovsky-Mahler-Puccini- Mascagni...
http://www.tchaikovsky-research.net/en/forum/forum0261.html
http://www.tchaikovsky-research.net/en/forum/forum0260.html
http://www.tchaikovsky-research.net/en/forum/forum0265.html
You're right: it is interesting to note the similarities. Often (I speak in general) is not "plagiarism" of course, but the"music of the time." Do not you think?
I'm sorry for my English. With many cordial greetings.
Antonio Garganese
Prato-Florence10/09/2011 21:57
Dear Antonio,
Your posts are always informative, thought-provoking, and often quite a revelation!
Do you agree with me that there's at least a strong 'similarity' between the string passage beginning at 3:46 in the following extract from the first movement of Shostakovich's 10th Symphony:
and the string passage beginning at 3.32 in Tchaikovsky's Fantasia 'The Tempest'?
Both passages serve to defuse tension at a critical point, but Tchaikovsky emerges triumphant whereas Shostakovich seens to sink back into a mood of nostalgia, regret and even despair.
Kindest regards
Michael Porter
11/09/2011 14:53
Dear Michael!
Thanks for the things you say to me.
Also I see this great proximity between Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky's music ... as in two of their songs you mentioned.
Shostakovich was regarded as the Tchaikovsky of the twentieth century ... "mutatis mutandis" ...
In the post above I mentioned that I heard a wonderful interpretation of the Teatro alla Scala in Milan, with Mravinsky and his Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra.
The program was made-not coincidentally-with the two symphonies of Tchaikovsky and Shostakovich No.5(Tchaikovsky was wonderfully directed, but ... Shostakovich gave an emotion even more, with this conductor and orchestra!).
Another comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhRLgWvu_kg&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PsBQwSp0bU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogJFXqYEYd8
Best regards
Antonio Garganese
Prato-Florence12/09/2011 21:10
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